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Ask the Profussor – Back in the Bay

June 6, 2012

Yesterday I finally had my first great macchiato out here. It’s wonderful being on vacation and enjoying the temperate Northern California air. There aren’t any mosquitos. It’s not oppressively hot. And you can buy wine in the grocery store.

But more important than any of that, it’s great to see old friends. For the most part they have jobs, which gives me some small amount of time to take care of my blogging responsibilities during the week. That includes, but is not limited to, answering your questions that have gone unanswered over the last two weeks.

Burnt My Fingers wins for being the most prolific question asker over the last fourteen days. Maybe next time you can get the prize. Remember, I’ve committed to answering any question that you ask of me, provided you use proper punctuation. And there are some great ones this time around.

Now let’s get to it.

Burnt My Fingers wants to keep feuding, but has no idea what we’re feuding about:
I’m still ready to go to the mat with you, Profussor, but it’s evident that neither of us remembers what the fight is about. Can you provide a link to the specific post that was so irksome?

No. No, I can’t. I’m perfectly happy to let this one die and move onto the next battle.

jenh718 would probably be surprised to find she’s in the minority:
I agree that most mint ice cream I’ve been served is green but the few times it’s been white (Ben & Jerry’s Mint Chocolate Cookie is white) I’ve appreciated it because really, who wants to eat nasty food coloring?

So many people. So many people it hurts. In fact, there used to be a sign on the case at an ice cream place in Rockridge (my old North Oakland neighborhood). I’m paraphrasing, but it went something like this. “Our mint chocolate chip ice cream is white. Get over it.” It’s a killer that even people in this part of the world where there is such a preponderance of folks who prefer natural, that such a sign had to exist.

Deanna from Silly Goose Farm knows how to get free labor:
If you come help pick and press apples this fall, I’ll supply you with both plain ol’ cider and hard cider. Deal?

Done and done. Mrs. Fussy is a bit of a cider snob, and she’s never able to get real honest unpasteurized cider that she remembers from her youth. Surely she’ll watch the kids while I toil with you to get her fingers around a glass of the real thing.

Burnt My Fingers has it almost right:
Maybe the hard cider marketers are trying to attract beer drinkers?

Actually, I think it’s the beer manufacturers who are trying to get a piece of the cider market. At least that’s the case with the Boston Beer Company.

AddiesDad relays some great news about cheese:
Did you know that Putnam Market in Saratoga Springs is building their own cheese cave to age/mature the “finest cheeses on earth”? AND that you can personally select cheeses from said cave that they will custom cut for you? Wasn’t this one of your chief complaints about the Capital District, a lack of good cheese counters/options?

I heard about the first part, but not the second. That’s really interesting, and I’m wondering how it will work in practice. Looks like I’ll have to make a trip up there and do some research. But you are indeed correct, that this has been one of my big gripes. Which is why I was so excited to meet Eric Paul of The Cheese Traveler, and hear his recent news opening up a new store on Delaware Avenue. Now we may have two promising places to buy great cheese. Things continue to look up for the region.

JennaC. is in the same camp as Albany Jane:
No cookies and cream? That’s madness.

Yes. Yes it is. But it was also madness that Maple Walnut was a universal flavor. And madness that despite its evident popularity in the region not one tour participant took that option. And madness that so many people went Butter Pecan. With ice cream apparently comes madness.

Burnt My Fingers is going to hold my feet to the proverbial fire:
So what’s the difference between grilling and barbecue? I don’t think you actually answered that question…

The words are often used interchangeably. But in my world, and working in generalities (because I’m open to the notion that exceptions may exist) grilling is cooking over high/direct heat while barbecue is cooking over low/indirect heat and smoke. Grilling is also tricky because it can mean what happens in a frying pan or griddle, like grilled cheese. Which is why when grilling over charcoal outside, I prefer the use of the term “cookout” to describe the activity.

Mr. Sunshine isn’t fooled by the delay of my blood test results:
Why so long to get your lipid panel scores? I get mine over the phone 2 days later. You could too but I suspect you don’t want to.

Exactly.

Aliza may not like the answer to this question, but I’m going to try and be gentle:
Have you tried butter flavored olive oil? It’s pretty amazing, they sell it at Saratoga Olive Oil Company and they have it with recipes for popcorn and seafood and such!

No. Here’s the thing. I’m a purist. And if I’m paying a premium for olive oil, I want it to be great olive oil. And that means I want it to taste like olive oil and not anything else. What’s fortunate is that different olive oils have different flavor profiles. These are driven by the type of olive, their ripeness upon being picked, how they are processed, and a host of other factors. Some olive oils are naturally buttery. Others are peppery. Olive oil can also be grassy. And if I wanted an olive oil that tasted buttery, I’d ask a knowledgeable purveyor and find a good one. Because while buttery olive oil is totally delicious, butter flavored olive oil is wholly unappealing. And honestly, I have a healthy dose of skepticism about a place that would sell such a thing.

KB @ Home-Baked Happiness has an idea for a Fussy Little Event:
Tour de BBQ, anyone? :)

BBQ isn’t something that I think requires a tour. BBQ holds pretty darn well, and I think it would be much more interesting to do a side-by-side tasting like we did for cupcakes with something like ribs. The tours are really for things that can’t travel well to a central location. Ice cream, fried foods, hot dogs with meat sauce, and so forth. Disco fries is tour material though. And I continue to be open to suggestions.

Mr. Sunshine asks a great question:
You are a big promoter of Albany fish fry. Do all your faves on the Tour de Fish Fry promote sustainability?

Actually, most of them serve Haddock, and while I doubt that most of their fish is Atlantic hook-and-line caught, all other varieties according to Seafood Watch are still “good alternatives.” So I’d say for the most part, yes.

Stanford Steph also apparently misses the Bay Area:
But I’d love to read a travelogue, especially given where you are traveling. Have you been to Absinthe? I ate there on a recent trip, and they make great food and fab cocktails.

Not only have I been to Absinthe, but I took a cocktail making class there too. But this trip isn’t about food. It’s about people. And I would hate to see the disappointed looks on people’s faces when they found out I went to Chipotle for lunch one day. I was minutes away from some of the best taco trucks in the country, but I was also with a hungry toddler who happens to love Chipotle. So the national chain won out. That’s how it goes. One day, should I ever take a dedicated food trip, then I’ll write a travelogue of the experience. Deal?

27 Comments leave one →
  1. Angelos Tzelepis's avatar
    June 6, 2012 10:16 am

    Ditto on the olive oil. I get 17 kilos of first-run cold-pressed oil from family land shipped to me from Greece every year. It’s the greatest stuff on earth. Do not adulterate it with flavorings or infusions.

    I would also like some unpasteurized, non-sulfited, non-UV processed cider for my annual batch of hard cider. I can make decent hard stuff if it’s UV-flashed, but I’d rather have the wild wee beasties in there too, for extra-honest flavor. I would also gladly work for 6-gallons of just-pressed cider.

  2. KB @ Home-Baked Happiness's avatar
    June 6, 2012 10:20 am

    “Disco fries is tour material though.”

    That would mean we’d officially given up on the premise of sampling local specialties. I had never even heard the term “disco fries” until I heard it from you some short time ago — I’ve lived in this area for my entire life, and I’d never never seen those words on any local menu or heard anyone talk about eating or liking them, never heard those two words put together at all, before that.

    • jenh718's avatar
      June 6, 2012 10:28 am

      I agree. I may not be from this area but I wouldn’t call Disco Fries (I’m still not sure what the hell they are) a regional specialty. Never seen those words on a local menu either.

    • Angelos's avatar
      Angelos permalink
      June 6, 2012 10:48 am

      Spa City Diner has had them for 20 years.

      • jenh718's avatar
        June 6, 2012 2:38 pm

        All right, all right…they’re a thing. Still never heard of them. Definitely they’re not a NYC thing.

    • Elizabeth's avatar
      June 6, 2012 12:13 pm

      KB where did you grow up? I’m from Scotia and sharing a plate of Disco Fries (or more simply called fries with cheese & gravy) with friends at the Brandywine Diner in Sch’dy was a very frequent social ritual through my formative years. Let’s say late 80s to late 90s. We were nuts about dang Disco Fries, and spent many a late night discussing the best way to build the plate for maximum ingredient harmony and which diner used the best cheese and gravy. I *still* have to order them whenever I find them on a menu, that’s how big a nostalgic pull they have for me.

      That said, I don’t believe they are an upstate NY specialty. IIRC it’s more of a lower NY/NJ thing.

      • KB @ Home-Baked Happiness's avatar
        June 6, 2012 12:24 pm

        I grew up just outside of Saratoga Springs and have eaten all around the area all my life. … Maybe they’re a Schenectady County thing? I’ll admit that I haven’t eaten in Schenectady County all that much in my life (more Saratoga, Rensselaer and Albany counties).

      • Chelle's avatar
        June 6, 2012 4:54 pm

        Ditto on the lower NY thing. Bowling and disco fries, or disco fries at the diner growing up downstate.

  3. jenh718's avatar
    June 6, 2012 10:26 am

    It shouldn’t be shocking that Maple Walnut would be a popular local flavor. NYS is the third largest producer of maple syrup in the country. (VT is 1st and ME is 2nd) They’re likely supporting local syrup makers. That’s a good thing. Even better when they also support local dairy producers like the winner of the best hard ice cream on your recent tour, the Ice Cream Man.

    And I have similar thoughts about the Saratoga Olive Oil Co. I want my olive oil to taste like olives. I want it as pure as possible. Cold pressed and unfiltered, preferably. I keep meaning to buy some from these guys http://www.dancingewe.com/ShoppingBagFull.html

  4. Angelos's avatar
    Angelos permalink
    June 6, 2012 10:49 am

    Jen, didn’t we have some trade brewing? I’m actually picking up my latest can of oil this Friday, it was shipped to my uncle’s restaurant in Kingston.

    • jenh718's avatar
      June 6, 2012 2:36 pm

      That’s true, that was forever ago! But I’m still down for some olive oil if you’re down for some jam. I’ll message you on FB to make it happen for real this time.

  5. Jon In Albany's avatar
    June 6, 2012 11:09 am

    I will agree with low and slow for BBQ but not necessarily indirect. Some insist direct is more traditional. Heat is controled by adjusting the distance between a bed of coals and the meat.

  6. -R.'s avatar
    -R. permalink
    June 6, 2012 11:28 am

    What the hell are ‘disco fries’ exactly? Are they something like wanna-be poutine? Google images wasn’t particularly helpful demystifying it for me, as every picture appeared to be something different (aside from the base of ‘fries’) – some had gravy, some melted cheese, some appeared to be doctored with a Velveeta like goo; is there a definitive preparation?

    I too would pick apples in exchange for cider, preferably hard. I’ll bring my hooch jug. ;-))

    • servedx1's avatar
      servedx1 permalink
      June 6, 2012 11:42 am

      Disco fries are big in diners downstate and Jersey usually crispy fries topped w/ mozzerella and brown gravy. Best at about 4 in the morning after a night out

  7. Angelos's avatar
    Angelos permalink
    June 6, 2012 11:32 am

    Pretty close, R.

    Gravy, a good melty cheese like provolone (Velveeta – ugh).

    Perfect drunk food.

  8. Saratoga Olive Oil Owner's avatar
    June 6, 2012 12:53 pm

    Hi. I found your response to the Butter Olive Oil at my shop a bit uninformed. We do carry infused oils like butter, garlic, basil ect. in order to offer customers an excellent and healthy infusion base to their cooking. The butter is vegan and is infused using top grade EVOO with chemistry analysis available including; poly counts, PV counts and oleic acid counts. The great thing about the butter olive oil is it helps people with high cholesterol have an alternative to using butter (one of the worst fats we can have). EVOO lowers your LDL and raises your HDL (one of the best fats we can have).

    I am a purist as well and I am sure your Greek EVOO is fantastic. However, I would recommend switching hemispheres every 6 months in order to have the freshest and thus the highest purity of EVOO. I would take a good Kalamata from Australia in October any day over any Greek varietal. EVOO breaks down once it is crushed; therefore, your Greek oil is half what it used to be at this time. We stand by our oil so much that you can taste every one in the shop before buying. 60 percent of labeled EVOO on supermarket stores are either rancid or adulterated. People should demand chemistry counts and not just seek out a random purveyor. We have all our EVOOs tested in the top EVOO lab in Australia and post all the counts.

    Don’t feel you have to buy from S.O.O.C but please research and make sure you are informed. There is a lot of crooks in this business wedging out true farmers around the world and making a lot of money off duping the American People.

    Happy Tasting!

    • Angelos's avatar
      Angelos permalink
      June 6, 2012 3:55 pm

      Butter is vegan? Who knew?!?!

      Also, 17 kilos of olive oil is a lot of olive oil. 18.5 liters, or 24 bottles. Hundreds of dollars at gourmet olive oil prices. I’m still using last year’s can, and it’s more than good.

      • Saratoga Olive Oil Co. Owner's avatar
        June 6, 2012 4:22 pm

        Hi Angelos,
        Butter itself is not vegan. But the natural flavoring that we use in our infusion is. There is no dairy in the oil. True, large quantities are better preserved, as the perimeter is where the breakdown happens when enclosed. However, I would still go south – look at Cobram Estsates in Australia. Best showing of any farm in the world at LA awards last year. Although, if you are getting inexpensive excellent oil from your family then I don’t blame you. I am sure it is an awesome oil!
        S.O.O.C

      • PensiveEngineer's avatar
        PensiveEngineer permalink
        June 6, 2012 5:44 pm

        What is “natural” butter flavoring? If it’s not coming from butter it’s not natural. It’s either vegan and artificial or natural dairy butter. You can’t have it both ways.

      • Saratoga Olive Oil Co. Owner's avatar
        June 6, 2012 8:45 pm

        What I mean by “natural” is that only natural flavorings are used. There are no artificial “or chemically produced” flavors added to the Butter olive oil. Natural fruit and vegetables extracts are used to create this distinct flavor. So you can have it both ways: vegan and natural.

      • PensiveEngineer's avatar
        PensiveEngineer permalink
        June 7, 2012 11:35 am

        SOOC, I see how you justify the term natural. However, IMHO, even if it’s derived from natural sources it’s still artificial because it’s not the real thing. It’s an additive whose objective is to achieve something “like” the real thing. IMHO that’s not natural.

  9. ktvorwald's avatar
    June 6, 2012 1:53 pm

    But wait, isn’t Samascott’s cider unpasteurized? http://www.samascott.com/FAQs.html

    I would’ve eaten the Maple Pecan. I make it at home and it’s one of my husband’s favorites.

  10. christine's avatar
    christine permalink
    June 6, 2012 5:04 pm

    I am a native, born in Schenectady and raised eventually in Saratoga Springs so II’ve eaten in alot of restaurants in both counties… never heard of “disco fries”.

    I didn’t get a chance to post this before but I am soooo glad you left Stewarts off your ice cream tour. When you put them on your breakfast sandwich tour I was left scratching my head. There aren’t griddles in those shops, so ya just know the eggs are pre-formed and not “real”. I was nervous the tour was headed there for their ice cream, which is just factory made and not really homemade. Good lookin out!

  11. Jessica R's avatar
    Jessica R permalink
    June 6, 2012 6:49 pm

    Tour de Troy Buffalo Wings!
    Maybe you should add a “Tour de Cider” component to the Tour de Donut.

  12. Mr. Sunshine's avatar
    Mr. Sunshine permalink
    June 10, 2012 5:34 pm

    Well, I’ve lived here for 35 years but grew up in northern NJ and I too never heard of disco fries. However I grew up decades before the word “disco” was invented!

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